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From Brigham Young's Promised Land 2022 by Wayne Estes

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Mathieu Van Rijswick commented on Conclusion

Hi Wayne, thanks for the quick reply and the explanations. When I travelled through parts of Utah, I read a biography of Brigham Young. It was not the Krakauer book, that I didn’t know and does interest me, and not one written by an LDS admirer. It was probably written by John G. Turner. It gave me a much better understanding of the epic Mormon Trail trek and the colossal pioneer years in the Promised Land. The immigrants not only came from England and Scotland, but also from Scandinavia and continental Europe. As I understood it, they were offered a package deal: free cross-Atlantic transport and a plot of land with a conversion to an ‘American’ gospel, the Book of Mormon.

I didn’t know that there are still people around who grew up in a polygamist family. I thought that practise was outlawed with Utah’s admission as a US state in 1896

4 months ago
Wayne Estes replied to a comment by Mathieu Van Rijswick on Conclusion

Matthiew, I'm glad you found my journal interesting and informative. I am a very solitary person, and don't seek out long conversations during my tours. I agree that it would have been insightful to have more conversations with real people, instead of just reading all the signs.
The only long conversation I had was with the woman who grew up in a polygamist family. Part of what made it interesting was that she mentioned so many contradictions that I didn't know what was genuinely true.
Before the tour I was aware that the Mormon church attracted many immigrants from England and Scotland. But I didn't learn much about the foreign emigrant experience. I was aware of the handcart emigrants and the wide range of opinion about the success and wisdom of that project. I never thought about why certain architectural styles were chosen. Probably I just assumed the style simply fulfilled their visual fantasy of a Godly kingdom on Earth.
It was only after the tour, when reading the Jon Krakauer book, that I learned about the huge differences between Joseph Smith the charismatic founder, and Brigham Young the brilliant manager.
Maybe somebody who is more sociable than me should do a follow up tour with many interviews.

4 months ago
Mathieu Van Rijswick commented on Conclusion

Hi, I found this journal a few days ago and read through most of it. I share your fascination with the Mormon culture. I cycled through parts of Utah and Idaho a few times and saw several of the Temples and landscapes that feature on your excellent pictures. I was rather disappointed by your insides in the LSD culture. Even from a ‘neutral’ viewpoint, there is a lot of amazing history and accomplishments that would be interesting to read. How did they integrate so many different European immigrants? Why are all buildings highly symmetrical? Why was their architecture so much influenced by the French Empire style, whereas the Mormons are said to be rather inward-looking? As you noticed rightly, they built huge and beautiful temples while settling in new and harsh territory. Brigham Young must have been a highly inspiring leader. Etc. Probably Covid limited your contacts, but I would have loved to read about views from local people.

4 months ago
Charmaine Ruppolt commented on a photo in Day 18: Grace to Lava Hot Springs

Wow, that's a TALL grain elevator!

8 months ago
Wayne Estes replied to a comment by Charmaine Ruppolt on a photo in Day 14: Bountiful to Brigham City

The only Book of Mormon I've seen is the blue version that is distributed for free. I have never seen fancy Books of Mormon similar to the heirloom family Bibles that are prized by many evangelical Christians. Who knows, maybe the Missionary Store sells heirloom Books of Mormon.

11 months ago
Charmaine Ruppolt commented on a photo in Day 14: Bountiful to Brigham City

Probably the Book of Mormon is also sold in the Missionary Store. :)

11 months ago
Charmaine Ruppolt commented on a photo in Day 14: Bountiful to Brigham City

Ack - - sounds like someone shot a paintball at a passing person on the trail, huh?

11 months ago
Charmaine Ruppolt commented on a photo in Day 14: Bountiful to Brigham City

Looks like the Denver & Rio Grande Western trail is 23.5 miles long, FYI. :)

11 months ago
Charmaine Ruppolt commented on a photo in Day 14: Bountiful to Brigham City

Very nice yellow bushes lining the path! :)

11 months ago
Wayne Estes replied to a comment by Charmaine Ruppolt on a photo in Day 13: Salt Lake City to Bountiful

I got no explicit invitations when traveling through Mormon country. The missionary woman I spoke to was friendly for 5 minutes until it was obvious that I wasn't a good prospect. Then she moved on to another visitor. On the contrary, my experience in the southeast U.S. was that EVERY conversation with a friendly stranger ended with an invitation to their church.

11 months ago
Wayne Estes commented on a photo in Day 13: Salt Lake City to Bountiful

The Mission assignment is 24/7 immersion/indoctrination/obedience. You are with your assigned partner ALL the time except in the bathroom. No vacations or weekends off.

11 months ago
Charmaine Ruppolt commented on a photo in Day 13: Salt Lake City to Bountiful

These are nice looking houses, but built on such steep grades -- I would be concerned about landslides!

11 months ago
Charmaine Ruppolt commented on a photo in Day 13: Salt Lake City to Bountiful

The Bonneville Shoreline Trail would be fun to come down, but I can see is very difficult to go up!

11 months ago
Charmaine Ruppolt commented on a photo in Day 13: Salt Lake City to Bountiful

I've never heard of "Queer Food" either! Interesting...

11 months ago
Charmaine Ruppolt commented on a photo in Day 13: Salt Lake City to Bountiful

The ugly LDS office building looks very bureaucratic - like an FBI building.

11 months ago